In this podcast episode, you’ll hear stories about an unpleasant ear discovery in the middle of the night, an unlikely savior as our storyteller falls out of a tree, and the very first open adoption in the state of Montana.
Transcript : "Tipping Point" Part 1
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welcome to tell us something
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annabelle winnie who moved to montana
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in part because allegedly she only lives
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that start with the letter m
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previously she lived in maine
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and new mexico she currently works as a
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clinical social worker in private
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past jobs have included research
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waitress and burrito roller please
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last august i was blissfully asleep
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when i became aware of something
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put my left ear down on the pillow and
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waited for the water to drain out of my
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when i was growing up i spent a lot of
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time in pools and the ocean and lakes
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and i was always getting water in my ear
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i sat up in bed when i realized that i
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didn’t go to the river that day
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and i don’t even think i took a shower
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and the sensation in my ear was
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more agitating it was like i was a deep
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diver coming up from the bottom of the
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as i became more and more awake and
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realized that something really weird was
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i sat up and tried to shake it out
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i’m a very logical person and when the
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didn’t match what i expected to happen
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i got really agitated i shook again
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i expected there to be water in my ear
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slosh up on the left side
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but that didn’t happen it was
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unpredictable and chaotic
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and it burned a little bit and it was
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really starting to freak me out
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i wondered if maybe climate chaos was
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affecting my left ear what if my brain
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was melting and i might actually be
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and then it occurred to me i was alone
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my family was away even the dog was gone
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for the first time in almost 20 years i
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was having a crisis in the middle of the
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night and i was by myself
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it flashed in my mind in my pajamas with
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this insane chaos in my ear
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i could get in my car and drive to the
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i’m not gonna do that i got up walked
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out of the bedroom to figure it out
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but before i can tell you that story
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i need to tell you this story
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why did i do that i could have called an
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ambulance i could have called 9-1-1
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in moments like this when our field of
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thin we have our animal instincts
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and we have those paths already laid
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really i think i did what i did because
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yeah i’m from new england i’m a mass
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oh yeah and you know we’re tough
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oh yeah that’s what i’m talking about
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right because when i learned how to
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i learned how to drive in a city where
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the pedestrians not only thought
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they owned the sidewalk but also the
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so i’m driving a stick shift the road’s
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probably icy and somebody’s going to
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step out in front of my car in any
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i am tough man you know the few times i
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skied really i could have just brought
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i could have gone to the top of the ski
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hill laced them up and just skated down
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because that was so icy you know
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what you call snow out here
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this at home right that’s like
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because the ocean’s right there it’s
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really dense right so when i was a kid
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we get a big dump of snow
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it’s like your car ensconced in two feet
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right by the time you shovel that
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and you clear out the spot that is
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you own it for the whole winter
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oh yeah god forbid you actually have to
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get in your car and drive somewhere
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it’s the land of the law you can put a
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or a lawn chair in your spot it’s yours
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i mean why else does anybody own a lawn
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you better go down to the hardware store
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and get me a lawn chair winner’s coming
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they’re going to sell out right
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yeah my neighbor man when i grew up
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one day i saw her somebody took a spot
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she left the can there they moved it
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oh she was so pissed when she got back i
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she when that guy came to move his car
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she stood out on the porch
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she gave him the evil eye and then she
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told him exactly what she
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thought of him right to his face
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right because that’s what happens in
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boston people will tell you to your
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face that they don’t like you
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i’m not going to get in my car and drive
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myself to the emergency room
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no way the thing is though
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we’re really more like m ms you know we
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but inside it’s all soft chocolate
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right so i’m gonna take care of this
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but inside i am a mess i am so
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i leave my room and i need my phone
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right because it’s got my flashlight so
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i get my phone go in the bathroom turn
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flashlight nothing it’s just an ear i’m
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i’m really freaking out and it’s kind of
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starting to hurt i take a picture
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i expect to see blood or maybe like an
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alien tentacle it’s nothing it’s just my
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oddly i get this strange picture like
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it’s like the scream what am i going to
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do jesus christ what’s going on
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i got a little basket i got earplug i
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don’t have earplugs i have nail clippers
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tweezers and i start to go from my ear
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for sanity no tweezers in eardrums not a
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good idea what am i going to do what am
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and then i see the bottle thank god my
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thank god it was august because every
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so there’s this bottle of rubbing
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alcohol on the counter because my kids
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why because it makes me feel better
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rubbing alcohol does nothing for lice
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it doesn’t stop them for a
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so i got my paper towel but it makes me
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feel better i got my paper towel i put
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the rubbing alcohol and i
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comb my kid’s hair for over and
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on the rubbing alcohol makes me feel
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better and in my head i’m still like
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water pool because i’m very logical
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so when i was a child i always had my
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little bottle half rubbing alcohol
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half vinegar i put it in my ear and the
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pool water would come out
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right so i like get a cotton ball and
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i’m squeezing then i just got the whole
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what the and i’m show i’m
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oh my god it stops this insanity
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my children won’t be motherless
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oh jesus christ i look in the sink and
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it’s like crawling around it’s got like
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segmented body parts and it’s like
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brown and reddish and it’s got these
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for christ’s sake so what do i do
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booyah i kill it with my thumb
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oh my god i do find some earplugs i’m
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i get some cheap dime store earplugs and
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you know like three hours later i fall
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a couple weeks later early september i
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go to two back-to-back shows
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right here at the wilma so fun but you
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i’m middle aged so i have my expensive
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earplugs in my expensive rock concert
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so i go i have fun the day after the
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i take my earplugs out and i got a
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little buzz in my ear you know that
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a couple weeks later it’s still there
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that’s kind of weird a month later
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it’s still there and i’m like what is
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going on and then it occurs to me
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what am i gonna do i could go to a
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specialist i could pay a lot of money
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he’d look in my ear and say
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yeah you had an earwig in your ear
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your hearing’s damaged you know what let
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so i do i keep going it’s only recently
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thought to stop and listen
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it’s still there i have a little funk in
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because i had an earwig in it but i got
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and now if you ever wake up in the
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and you think you’re going crazy
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you will know just what to do
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thank you annabelle susan you’ll
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um susan told me stop reading so much
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so i tried not to and i forgot to say
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something that would have made
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better for you tell us something has
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adult themes in adult language
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forgot to say that earlier
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feather sherman took art classes since
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at maryland institute of art then
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eventually for two years at schuler
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she earned her bachelor’s of science in
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art education from towson university in
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and a masters of arts in fine arts from
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the university of montana
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she is passionate about peace art
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music rainbow gatherings her five
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awesome kids and her grandbaby ryden
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please welcome feather sherman
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from my vantage point just below the
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crown of a good-sized ponderosa
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on the wild side of the clearwater river
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i looked out as beautiful dawn
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amber dawn gradually lit the sky
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and the landscape below it was
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the life-giving force of the universe
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of this new day i took a deep breath
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and then my son was had gotten up and he
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was starting to fix breakfast
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so i started climbing down the tree to
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and when i got about 20 feet above the
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that first cup of coffee is going to
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just then an unknown force
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kicked my left foot off the branch it
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was on as hard as you kick a football
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and it kicked my right it jerked my
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right foot off and suddenly
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i was hanging by my hands
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20 feet above the ground in midair
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i was wearing my work gloves that had no
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and they were beginning to slip
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well i knew i’d have to think of
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something pretty quick so
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i decided uh i’m strongest on my right
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hang on with my right hand and then i’ll
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left and i’ll wrap my arm around the
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tree and then my other arm
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and then i’ll shimmy down till i get on
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some good limbs down below
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i thought yeah that’s the best that’s
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so i said okay here it goes and
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i let go with my left hand and as i went
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my arm around the tree my body swung out
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just far enough i could just graze the
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i could not grab the trunk
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and i realized that i was going down
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my right arm my right hand slipped
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and i began to fall i thought
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wow 110 pounds falling 20 feet
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i’m going to be going really fast when i
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but i’m not going to know how i can lan
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until uh i discover if i’m going to get
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knocked around by the limbs so
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uh i’ll just count 1 1 000
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almost to the ground now how am i going
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let’s see um i don’t want to land on my
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left side because i might burst my heart
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so i’m going to roll to my right a
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i’m going to want something to get
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around on so i’m going to put my foot up
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and uh something’s gonna have to hit
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first i guess it’ll be the other one
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and i’m gonna tuck up a little bit i’m
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this is the best position and then a
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millisecond above the ground i went oh
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in this position i’m gonna break my
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but there’s nothing i can do
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i’ll just have to do my best because
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and i hit my body landed on the top of
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i felt absolutely no pain but all the
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rest of me kept going in the same
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into the earth and eventually it was
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like being on a trampoline and my speed
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and then i hit bottom and then boom
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i was back up in my body and
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then i felt the pain i’d broken my foot
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and my back and actually several other
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parts but those were the main injuries
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and i was laying there and i thought
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this is a miracle i didn’t break my neck
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this is the absolute miracle and then
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i saw sparkles of silver and gold in the
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and i felt this spiritual being behind
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supporting my head neck and shoulders
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i felt like a baby eagle tucked in the
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breast of my mother eagle
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so safe and warm and then
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the spiritual being very gently laid my
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and i’d landed on dirt and bunch grass
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just then my son came running over the
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are you okay and i said yes i’m alive
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and i didn’t break my neck i’m great
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look i can wield all this and he’s like
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wow i said well we’re gonna have to call
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and uh i did break my back i know that
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so pretty soon they made it pretty quick
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and as the emts came running over the
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one of them looks over and he goes hey
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we thought we’d find a 10 year old kid
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under this tree not a 50 year old woman
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i said thanks a lot you guys i’m 64.
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and i’m i’m not in shock and my vitals
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and they said wow that’s great how is
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and i said they’re fine look and i
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wiggled all over again to show them
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and they said well we’re going to bundle
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you up and take you into the hospital
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so then we got to st pat’s hospital and
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did a beautiful job stabilizing my leg
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getting me ready to have a clamshell
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about three days later the doctor came
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to my room and he says where are you
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and i said well uh temporarily i’m in a
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in actuality i was going through a very
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difficult time in my life
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and going through a very hard breakup
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with my husband of 16 years
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so that’s why i was down in the basement
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and he says well you know you have a
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you can’t use crutches you can’t you
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and i said oh my friends will carry me
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up and down and he’s like
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no uh you’re gonna have to find another
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or we’re gonna put you in a nursing home
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and i’m like oh please not that
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so i called everybody i could think of
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no one had room for me anywhere and
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i fell asleep and when i woke up i felt
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like i was in the bottom of this
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deep dry well and i was all alone and
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there was no light and no
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sound and i had never felt so alone
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and so helpless before in my whole life
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but then i cheered up a little bit and i
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said okay feather what do you need now
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and i said i gotta talk to somebody who
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understands what i’m going through
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so i thought oh i’ll call david milgram
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he’s a wonderful healer and we worked
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together with grandfather david menonge
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of the hopies for 10 years during the
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so i called up david and let him know
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what had happened and he goes
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oh feather you really did it this time
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but here’s the good news you’re going to
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and i’ll help you i’m going to help you
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with vitamins and minerals
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and when we get off the phone i want you
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to call this number it belongs
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to a very powerful lakota medicine woman
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named susan and she works behind the
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she lives in colorado so give her a call
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and so i did i thanked david very much
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and i called susan up on the phone
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and i explained to her that i was a
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friend of davids and what had happened
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and she goes oh wonderful
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wonderful she goes i see you
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you’re way up in the air and surrounded
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well i was on the fourth floor st pat’s
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hospital looking down at the helicopter
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and seven and a half years ago we were
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having a really bad fire season with
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idaho on fire in southern montana
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and the valley was full of smoke so
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i knew she saw me and then she said
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i’m doing a ceremony for you right now
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i’m calling in the four thunder beings
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of the west because they’re the most
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powerful protectorate spirits
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and then seven male warrior spirits and
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female warrior spirits are around you
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and they’re going to protect you and
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and i want you to give a spirit offering
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for them before you have your food and i
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said yes i’ll be happy to do that i’ve
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by black elk’s great-grandson
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and then she says feel free to call me
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and just before she hung out the phone
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do you know who saved your life and i
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i have a hunch and she goes you’re right
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it was your father and he’s here with me
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and he’s laughing and he is so
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happy that he was able to help and he’s
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calling you gidget gidget
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i completely forgot that when i was a
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my dad called me gidget because i loved
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and kitchen goes to summer camp movies
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and i thanked her so much and hung up
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my dad’s spirit came right into the
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and i raised up and we hugged each other
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in a beautiful golden ball
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of light and love and i was able to
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greg monroe of missoula is the father of
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two adopted daughters who are now adults
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with children of their own
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in a long career as a trial lawyer
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including 30 years as a law professor at
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the university of montana
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he has made storytelling the core of his
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and is awed by this ancient and
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please welcome greg monroe
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1983 was a time of great anxiety for
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me and my wife we couldn’t get pregnant
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we had tried everything she had told me
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a couple years earlier that her clock
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if we wanted to have children we had to
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and the months were tough
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we were making love according to formula
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temperatures and the time of the month
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each month was started with hope and
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ultimately our doctors said why don’t
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so we went to the oldest adoption agency
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of the oldest of the five institutional
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adoption agencies in montana
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in helena chodera that was part of
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chodera children’s hospital
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and started with them we met a wonderful
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social worker there named becky jones
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and we knew what to expect we’d seen the
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movies and heard the stories and we knew
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in infant adoptions through uh
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institutional adoption agencies were
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the mother gave up her child to the
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agency the agency picked the parents
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place the baby and she would never know
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what happened to the child
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and the child as the child grew up would
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never know what happened or who
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where she came from or who her natural
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some of the agencies at that time were
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find their birth parents if the birth
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so becky took us through a
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course in adoption and to prepare us and
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and confirmed that this was all to be
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and then told us that okay you’re
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i got the call in the middle of the
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from becky she said your baby’s here
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i was ecstatic and then she said
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something ominous she said
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but there’s problems i thought oh my god
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is the baby blind does she have a cleft
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uh are there legal problems
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and becky went on and told me what had
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they had gone to she and the doctor i
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corey’s room cory was the birth mother
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and becky said to this 15 year old
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you were released you’re discharged you
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can go back to the florence crittenden
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now the florence crittenden home was a
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in helena and that’s a place where
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when a young woman or a girl
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was starting to show that she was
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and stay for months and then have her
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baby and then go back to school
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and make up a story about where she’d
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so becky said you can go back to the
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florence kitten home then back to your
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and corey said and you’re going to place
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and she said no we’re not going to do
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that and she said well when will you
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place her and she said well two or three
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and corey said what and she said with
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two or three weeks from now
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and corey said no no you gotta place her
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today and she said no we don’t do that
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the agencies keep the baby for two or
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where will you keep the baby well in a
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we’ll put her in foster care for two or
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three weeks why would you do that
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well it’s a cooling off period in case
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i’m not going to change my mind look
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you’ve got to place this baby with a
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and if you don’t i’m going to take her
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out here and parent her myself and i
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becky said corey there’s something i
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haven’t told you my mother died in north
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and my father is elderly and needs me
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how about if i go to north dakota and i
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take care of things with the family
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and take care of him and i’ll come back
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next week and we’ll place the baby
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no you have to place the baby right now
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it’s got to be placed today
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and she was in a jam becky was
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she said listen i’m going to have to go
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talk to others in the adoption agency
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here we’ll decide what to do we’ve never
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been faced with this before
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and corey said yes do that and while
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i want to meet the parents i want to see
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into the parent’s arms and
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and i want it today and she said becky
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we don’t do that no adoption agency does
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you can’t meet the parents and she said
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listen i’m going to take the baby out of
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so the agency had no choice she met with
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they’d never been faced with this before
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they decided that the only thing to do
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so on the phone becky had two questions
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can you come to helena right now and get
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and two will you meet the birth mother
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instantly i said you bet we’ll do both
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and you to talk to my wife
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and i hung the phone up called frontier
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and as luck would have it they had a
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flight leaving immediately
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i picked the phone up to call my wife
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and all the power and central billings
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and i couldn’t call her on our set so i
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jumped in the car raced to her office
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she was a cpa clear across town
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ran in and said our baby’s here
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and we we hugged we tried and uh
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they were raised up to the hospital and
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saint vincent hospital gave or
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lent babies infant seats to
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parents who were taking children out of
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the hospital because that was back in
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the days when people still drove around
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carrying babies in their arms
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so we flew to helena and we met uh
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we went to the restaurant we’d agreed to
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and becky was there and the
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little girl corey was there cory was
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stuffed panda bear and in his arms
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with a with a baby stuffed panda bear
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and she and she handed it to us
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and said this is for your baby
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and we had a wonderful dinner i don’t
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know how i got to dinner as you might
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but corey was very engaging
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self-confident we loved her it was
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and we had a very good time with her and
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and the funny thing we asked her about
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her interest and she said
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i love riding horses and we said
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well do you have a horse of your own she
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said no i go to fairmont all the time so
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we knew she was from anaconda
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to go where the baby was and take
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and then we take her back to the
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florence crittenden home which we did it
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was really fun taking pictures
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we went back to the floor and
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straightened them home had left
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corey went into the home and you can
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imagine what you had to say
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and the word spread like wildfire what
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this 15 year old had done
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skipping ahead we there were there were
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legal problems as a matter of fact
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corey had exercised her right of privacy
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and refused to identify the father
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frankly she told a story that was pretty
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about a year less than a year
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corey wrote a letter to the agency to
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and penciled out this letter saying i
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i need to see the baby and the parents
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one more time to make sure
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that she’s safe and secure so
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and she said i know this might not be
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possible and it’s okay if it isn’t
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but if we can i’d really like to do it
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around her first birthday
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and she signed it and then across the
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bottom of the letter she wrote
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and i said to the agency how would we
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so we drove to helena on a saturday
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and we had all agreed to meet at show
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there and we drove up to the curb and
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there was only one car parked there
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and that was from anaconda of course and
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we went in and we met corey she looked
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and she was just great and she had
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a boyfriend with her and he was blonde
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he had a broad nose just like the
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adorable nose my daughter had
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and frankly i took one look at him and
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thought this is the father of this baby
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we had a wonderful meeting with him and
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i suspected that we might hear more from
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we were advised before dinner and before
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that we wouldn’t identify use no last
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names and would not talk about where we
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and because we had to maintain the
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we met took pictures and all that and
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that was not scripted and i don’t know
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the agency felt about it but we agreed
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with corey that we wouldn’t get together
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and have no contact until andrea was old
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to ask questions and that the day that
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she asked to meet her birth mother we’d
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get back in touch with the agency we get
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and that’s exactly what happened and i
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think it was when andrew was about five
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and we got together with her and both of
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had grown up knowing their birth mothers
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whatever contact they wanted to have
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uh the word spread so fast
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that all of the agencies were forced to
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and today in montana adoption within
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it became policy that if you wouldn’t
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meet the birth parents you went to the
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bottom of the priority pile
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or you didn’t get a baby at all and i
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think that we’ve all learned
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in the meantime that it is so much more
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to have open adoptions and for all the
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ups and downs it’s better to see the
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and better for children’s identity thank
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all right so this is the first audience
37:29
tipping point or tipping over i woke up
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in shivers after a night of drinking
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tequila and eating masculine
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i shook off a layer of frost and found
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that i was chained to my motorcycle
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what the i walked to the bar and
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alberton and ordered breakfast the guy
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slid my coffee down the bar soon
37:49
followed by eggs and bacon
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how rude i thought i tossed in my money
37:57
the ride home was freezing so when i got
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home i curled up in bed until late
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upon rising i went to the bathroom after
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i looked in the mirror it was shocked to
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see that i had burrito puke in my bushy
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i no longer drink tequila
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one day my husband said to me if you
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can’t be passionate about me
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and this life then you should leave
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that was 20 years ago and i’ve never
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all right it was mid-august i was in a
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orange colored raft from the 1970s named
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about to voyage down tumbleweed a rapid
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i forgot to mention it was my first time
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i will let the pictures say the rest
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i spent three years living in
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minneapolis where it’s so cold in the
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winter it hurts your face
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my commute to work was about 45 minutes
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in start and stop traffic
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it was my third winter there and i was
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driving home in the freezing snow
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i called my boyfriend and told him i had
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i couldn’t do another winter there he
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was on board we made a list of cities we
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and started applying for jobs we both
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got jobs in missoula within a week of
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having have lived here together for the
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past two years and we’re getting married
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well i’m not comfortable sharing this
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story on social media i do think it’s a
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story that needs to be told
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as a wayward but well-intentioned 17
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year old i brought my girlfriend
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now wife of 41 years home a half hour
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her curfew her father put her luggage on
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even i an obtuse rider of the
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figured out the message instead of
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slinking however my wife and i went
40:08
in woke up my new in-laws and had it out
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uh headed out with them regarding my
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this month our nine and five-year-old
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join us at my father-in-law’s house for
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christmas and i am attending tonight’s
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tell us something with my daughter who
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remains a golden light of my life
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it was the eve of my birthday as i
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tipped into my 30s i found myself
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14 000 feet in the air strapped to a
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heavily tattooed stranger
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it was then that i realized that i had
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passed the point of no return
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this was my tipping point
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seems more like a tip than a story but
41:04
moving the decimal one place to the left
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double it for nice gratuity that’s my
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in high school my daughter used to put
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her clothes in the dryer to warm her
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every morning i finally snapped and
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started turning off the dryer breaker
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i had forty dollars in my pocket and i
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had not yet made my destination
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having traveled from missoula to zurich
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it was 10 pm i was 19 and still had
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would i make it where would i sleep
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when i had nothing more i could give you
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and you couldn’t even give me the time
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that was my tipping point